Q&A with Andrea Hsu of NPR
Andrea Hsu is the labor and workplace correspondent for NPR, focusing on the evolving dynamics of work in the United States. As a 2012 Knight-Wallace Fellow, Hsu studied innovative approaches to health care awareness. She returned to Wallace House in September to deliver the 38th annual Graham Hovey Lecture. Before the event, Hsu spoke with Lynette Clemetson, director of Wallace House.
Clemetson: You started as a labor and workplace reporter during the COVID-19 pandemic, and the job was shaped by the pandemic. What was the focus of your beat when you started?
HSU: It started out as a temporary stint, filling in on the business desk in the fall of 2020, when a lot of office workers were working from home. Their offices had closed, and many schools were also closed. Working parents were figuring out what to do with their children. At the same time, there were the essential workers who had to keep things going – people working in grocery stores, hospitals, nursing homes and factories. It was a period of upheaval for all different types of workers.
When did it shift from being pandemic-driven to being focused on the federal workforce?
Not until this year. In fact, covering the federal workforce had never been part of my beat. Before January of this year, I think I had done maybe three stories on the federal workforce: one about the rollback of telework in the government, and two about federal employee unions.
But sometime between the election and the inauguration, a memo went out to staff announcing that I would be covering the federal workforce. This was a surprise to me! And then, as soon as Trump took office on January 20, he began signing executive orders that laid out huge changes for the federal workforce, and that took over my beat.
When did it shift from being pandemic-driven to being focused on the federal workforce?
Not until this year. In fact, covering the federal workforce had never been part of my beat. Before January of this year, I think I had done maybe three stories on the federal workforce: one about the rollback of telework in the government, and two about federal employee unions.
But sometime between the election and the inauguration, a memo went out to staff announcing that I would be covering the federal workforce. This was a surprise to me! And then, as soon as Trump took office on January 20, he began signing executive orders that laid out huge changes for the federal workforce, and that took over my beat.
I was really struck by how worried these people were, not just about their own jobs security, but about what would happen to the work they were doing.
So were federal workers expecting change?
There were ideas from Trump’s first term that he reintroduced. Some of them were in Project 2025. Still,
it was the speed at which this all happened that was surprising to people. On January 28, eight days after the inauguration, an email went out inviting almost the entire federal workforce to resign. More than 2 million people got this email. There was a lot of confusion over whether the offer was legal or if it was even real. Shortly after that, in the middle of February, federal agencies started firing probationary employees en masse. Those were mostly people in their first or second year on the job, fired supposedly for performance reasons, even though many had stellar performance reviews.
My colleagues and I began getting all kinds of messages from federal workers — emails, LinkedIn messages, and mostly Signal messages. Many federal workers were scared to speak out but were very willing to send screenshots of communications they were getting as they tried to make sense of what was happening.
The public messaging was that it was about cleaning out waste in Washington. Who were you hearing from?
The people contacting me were from all over the country, largely not in Washington. In fact, 80% to 85% of federal workers don’t live in the Washington, D.C. area. That often comes as a surprise to people. I was hearing from people in Georgia, Utah, Alaska — all over the country.
What did you learn from that flood of messages?
I was really struck by how worried these people were, not just about their own job security, but about what would happen to the work they were doing. These are people who feel a deep sense of responsibility to the public.
I imagine some of their jobs are not visible to the general public at all.
Yes. For example, one woman worked for the USDA Agricultural Research Service in Logan, Utah. She was a Ph.D. scientist, and her job was helping alfalfa farmers in Washington state. She was helping them manage pests in their alfalfa fields. The farmers she was working with grow alfalfa for seed, which is then used as feed for the U.S. dairy industry, which supplies our milk. The reason the government pays a researcher like her to be out there helping these farmers is that her work is seen as critical to America’s food supply. I heard from many people like this who took the time to explain these things to me.
What will the reductions look like by the end of this year?
According to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, by the end of December, the federal workforce will be down roughly 300,000, to about 2.1 million employees. So that’s about one in eight federal workers out by the end of the year. Many of those leaving are people with a lot of experience, so
there is worry about the loss of institutional knowledge.
What are you watching going forward?
The push by the Trump administration to turn much more of the federal workforce into “at will” employees. The administration has argued that the president needs to be able to remove those who are unwilling to help him fulfill the promises he made to the American people. Currently, only about 4,000 federal employees, out of more than 2 million, are political appointees who serve at the pleasure of the president. The rest enjoy civil service protections, designed to give the federal government stability and continuity through changeovers in administration. Upending this system would really change the nature of the federal workforce. Ultimately, this will come down to the Supreme Court to decide.
Andrea Hsu was a 2012 Knight-Wallace Fellow
This interview appeared in the Fall 2025 issue of the Wallace House Journal.















